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Subject: Re: 託する
From: Glenn
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:31:01 GMT
References: 1, 2

> Just for your interest, verbs like 託 (たく) する, which consist of a kanji and the verb -suru, are quite unstable in modern Japanese. They can be group I verbs. I would say 託す, a group I verb, instead of 託する, a suru verb.
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> 1. Commonly used as suru verbs: 圧 (あっ) する, 逸 (いっ) する, 反 (はん) する, etc.

> 2. Commonly used as group I verbs except the nonpast form: 愛 (あい) する (you say 愛さない, 愛せ, and 愛そう, not *愛しない, *愛しろ, or *愛しよう, though you can say both 愛する and 愛す), 要 (よう) する, etc.

> 3. Commonly used as group I verbs (-す): 辞 (じ) す, 託す, etc.

> 4. Commonly used as group II verbs (-じる): 案 (あん) じる, 演 (えん) じる, 応 (おう) じる, etc.

> 5. Commonly used as group II verbs (-せる): only 魅 (み) せる (influenced by 見 (み) せる)

1. Would it be accurate to say that the suru verbs with a geminate are always used as suru verbs, for example, 圧する, 逸する, 屈 (くっ) する, 発 (はっ) する, 罰 (ばっ) する, etc.?

2. That's interesting. I can't recall ever having heard or seen either 愛する or 要する in any of those forms, but now I can keep an ear/eye out for them.

3. I had just assumed that those types of verbs were used for a more classical flavor, like 制 (せい) す or 祝 (しゅく) す. Interesting to know that that isn't the case.

4. Don't most of these also have a voiced <suru> version, for instance, 案ずる, 命 (めい) ずる, 応ずる, 演ずる, etc.? Is the <zuru> version just used for nonpast affirmative? I can't recall having come across an inflected 命ずる, for instance.

5. This brings up a question I have about what seems to be a passive form of suru verbs that takes a different form. For instnance, I see 科せられる where I would expect 科される, or 発せられる where I would expect 発される. Am I just completely missing the picture, or are these verbs in some way affected like 魅せる was?


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