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Subject: Re: Negated topic in subordinate clauses
From: Glenn
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 04:06:15 GMT
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> > Hi, I have been wondering about this question for a while now and haven't found an answer anywhere online.
> >
> > Can a topic marker used to mark the negated phrase be used in a subordinate clause? I know that topic markers can not appear in them. However, I have seen some sentences like this, (as a random example),
> >
> > 犬じゃない私は犬を食べる。
> >
> > Doesn't this violate the rule of not using topic marker in clauses, since じゃない = で は ない?
>
> It's fine when it's used for negation, yes. There was a post about this a few years ago that seems to have disappeared into the vaccuum of the Google cache, so I couldn't find it, but what I did find was evidence that it's OK: 元気じゃない人 (2,950 hits for that exact phrase).

Interesting. I just clicked on that link and saw this: "元気じゃない人" に一致する日本語のページ 約 122,000 件中 1 - 10 件目 (0.17 秒) . So... about 119,000 more hits just popped up over the last few days?

One more minor point: I had thought that 〜に一致する was right, then I noticed that at goo it's 〜で一致する, which made me think that I was misremembering, but I still had the feeling it was 〜に一致する before and that 〜に一致する was right, so I'm glad I got some confirmation. I'm guessing, though, that this is one of those cases where they're practically interchangeable -- i.e., there's no discernable difference in meaning or nuance.



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